YOUTUBE VIDEOS
By LJH and sons, posted 2015.06.26-29
Recorded phone conversations with police
2015.06.26 - Sexual Abuse Investigation Unit (Seoul)
TRANSLATION OF ABOVE VIDEO:
P: officer at Seoul Sexual Violence investigative unit
L: Lee Jung Hee (mother)
P: Do you remember me? You talked to me last time when your son came for investigation. I am officer Park Mi Hye from Sexual Violation investigative unit.
L: Yes.
P: Right now, we understand your frustration, and I was there in Busan for the investigation.. but I have a few questions for you. The reason I asked you to see me face to face is that I have things that I want to find out from you, and also you were being a bit emotional and were saying things like you were going to kill.. so instead of just talking you should come visit me, you know where my office is…
L: I cannot trust you guys! ^$%$%&
P: What did you do wrong that you are saying you can’t trust us? I want to be clear about those points.
L: I have testified over and over again! You have all the evidence, but you did not summon Heo Seung Beom for one and half months, and you said he is a pathetic guy and he would never do such thing as drugs.
P: No, I never said Heo Seung Beom was pathetic.
L: (she is talking too fast..) he is a rapist.
P: Mam, you told us that your two sons were raped by Heo Seung Beom and turned in your testimony, right? We do not have any evidence beside the testimony. We took all the videotapes and checked them, but we could not find evidence to support the testimonies from you and your sons, so that is why we would like to talk to you again. And also the case, wait mam, listen to me without getting too emotional. The cases are not solved with only the victim’s testimony..
L: But..
P: Wait mam, we want to arrest Heo Seung Beom too, from hearing your sons’ testimonies we judged that there can be possibilities of sexual violence, so we had started investigating. I told you that I would help. But if you want us to help, you need to collaborate with us.
L: $%#$^
P: Wait, wait. You held a press conference, right? You are a victim as well, right? You are a victim of sexual violence right?
L: Yes.
P: Is that right?
L: That is right.
P: We will investigate the case assuming you are a victim as well. That is why we want you to come here. If you say that you don’t trust here, no one can investigate the issue.
L: #$^%$^$%
P: You are too emotional and you are saying that you don’t trust us, right? And about the press conference.. you should’ve told us that you are holding a press conference.. although it doesn’t matter if you tell us or not. But when you were talking to me, you did not tell me about all the group sex that goes on at the church. Your testimony does not contain that part. You only said Heo Yeong Moo tried to rape you but he couldn’t, so your husband beat you.
L: Yes, but the next day I met with detective Kim and told him about all of that. #$%#$^%^
L: He told me that you use 100% of the children’s testimony, that you won’t listen to Heo Yeong Mu. He said there can be or not be evidence for rape, it doesn’t matter. He told me that the children’s testimony is the only evidence needed to prove sexual violence.
P: Mam, mam.
L: #$%#$
P: There are a lot of things that are intertwined… you did not talk about the group sex part..
L: No, I said everything about that during the press conference. Please summon Heo Seung Beom and investigate him first.
P: Mam, wait.
L: Why aren’t you summoning Heo Seung Beom? Why?
P: We went to Busan to investigate..
L: Why would you visit Busan yourself to investigate? Why didn’t you summon him?
P: Look, Heo Seung Beom can be summoned if we summon him.
L: So I’m saying that you should summon him.
P: We will summon him and investigation him, but listen! We carried about the first investigation but you held a press conference and talked about group sex, and you were raped by Heo Yeong Mu. Were you raped by Heo Yeong Mu, mam? Were you raped or not? $#%#$% we are telling you to meet and talk, why are you so emotional?
L: You know Heo Seung Beom is there… if he is sick, then there are places to hospitalize him here…#$%#$
P: Why would you hospitalize him in Seoul?
L: There are hospitals that you can hospitalize during the investigation.
P: Where on earth are hospitals that the police can put him during investigation? We can summon him anytime we want.
L: Then why aren’t you investigating that bastard first..
P: Hello, mam, mam. We do the investigation, not you, right? The case has been concluded, so..
L: Right, you did not summon him for one and half months…
P: Yeah, we did not summon him for one and half months, why do you think is that?
L: You said he got into a car accident, then he was sick… blah blah blah.. and before that you did not summon him.
P: #@$@# we checked the hospital record..
L: No no, that bastard would break his arm to hospitalize himself. I told you he is that evil.
P: So you’re saying the driver of the car he got into accident with is on the same side too, huh? Huh?
L: The driver can be on the same side too, they can buy anyone with money.
P: Wow.
L: Besides the illegal drug issue, I wanted you to investigate the sexual violence …
P: Okay ,okay, mam. I get it. You’re saying even the other driver was bought by Heo Seung Beom.
L: I’m saying Heo Seung Beom is capable of doing even that .@#$@#$
P: #@$#$ listen to me, listen!
L: @#$@# why are you not letting me finish??
P: You are saying that he is capable of doing such things?
L: That’s right #@$
P: You and I don’t need to argue like this, right? If you don’t want to come to us, I will go to meet you, where are you?
L: Investigate Heo Seung Beom first, then after that I can show up any time.
P: We investigated about Heo Seung Beom already, so now I’m trying to investigate about you.
L: I’m saying you should summon him to the station. I almost died yesterday.
P: Why?
L: I was chased.. after I held the press conference and was revealed.. they came to capture my children and kill me.. and I escaped several times, so I cannot go to the police station because it is dangerous. Will you take responsibility if me or my children get hurt?
P: Where and how did you almost die?
L: Someone chased me, should I tell you where and how?
P: Where is the place you’re staying right now?
L: I come and go from Busan to Seoul. I am very busy right now.
P: Did it happen in Seoul or where?
L: It happened both in Seoul and Busan. Both.
P: Happened both in Busan and Seoul?
L: Yes, after the press conference.. they were all over the police station, so I cannot go there.
P: Mam, you felt so threatened the week after the press conference, but you did not call the police to report?
L: If I call the police they ask who, who, who, would I know who chased me? They said they would capture me and my children…
P: Mam, you said you received a lot of phone calls like that?
L: No, not just my phone but from everywhere #@$@
P: You’re saying they called and did not say who they were but threatened you?
L: Do you think they would say things that can be held against them as evidence? They call to find out where I am. I cannot go there because my life is at danger.
P: Then we will go meet you, where are you?
L: Why are you questioning me like that, am I a criminal?
P: You’re not a criminal?
L: @#$#@ I held a press conference because I am not a criminal.
P: That’s why we need to meet you, so we can proceed with the investigation. @#$@#$@#
L: You should summon Heo Seung Beom first, then after that I will give myself anytime you want. I’m hanging up.
P: officer at Seoul Sexual Violence investigative unit
L: Lee Jung Hee (mother)
P: Do you remember me? You talked to me last time when your son came for investigation. I am officer Park Mi Hye from Sexual Violation investigative unit.
L: Yes.
P: Right now, we understand your frustration, and I was there in Busan for the investigation.. but I have a few questions for you. The reason I asked you to see me face to face is that I have things that I want to find out from you, and also you were being a bit emotional and were saying things like you were going to kill.. so instead of just talking you should come visit me, you know where my office is…
L: I cannot trust you guys! ^$%$%&
P: What did you do wrong that you are saying you can’t trust us? I want to be clear about those points.
L: I have testified over and over again! You have all the evidence, but you did not summon Heo Seung Beom for one and half months, and you said he is a pathetic guy and he would never do such thing as drugs.
P: No, I never said Heo Seung Beom was pathetic.
L: (she is talking too fast..) he is a rapist.
P: Mam, you told us that your two sons were raped by Heo Seung Beom and turned in your testimony, right? We do not have any evidence beside the testimony. We took all the videotapes and checked them, but we could not find evidence to support the testimonies from you and your sons, so that is why we would like to talk to you again. And also the case, wait mam, listen to me without getting too emotional. The cases are not solved with only the victim’s testimony..
L: But..
P: Wait mam, we want to arrest Heo Seung Beom too, from hearing your sons’ testimonies we judged that there can be possibilities of sexual violence, so we had started investigating. I told you that I would help. But if you want us to help, you need to collaborate with us.
L: $%#$^
P: Wait, wait. You held a press conference, right? You are a victim as well, right? You are a victim of sexual violence right?
L: Yes.
P: Is that right?
L: That is right.
P: We will investigate the case assuming you are a victim as well. That is why we want you to come here. If you say that you don’t trust here, no one can investigate the issue.
L: #$^%$^$%
P: You are too emotional and you are saying that you don’t trust us, right? And about the press conference.. you should’ve told us that you are holding a press conference.. although it doesn’t matter if you tell us or not. But when you were talking to me, you did not tell me about all the group sex that goes on at the church. Your testimony does not contain that part. You only said Heo Yeong Moo tried to rape you but he couldn’t, so your husband beat you.
L: Yes, but the next day I met with detective Kim and told him about all of that. #$%#$^%^
L: He told me that you use 100% of the children’s testimony, that you won’t listen to Heo Yeong Mu. He said there can be or not be evidence for rape, it doesn’t matter. He told me that the children’s testimony is the only evidence needed to prove sexual violence.
P: Mam, mam.
L: #$%#$
P: There are a lot of things that are intertwined… you did not talk about the group sex part..
L: No, I said everything about that during the press conference. Please summon Heo Seung Beom and investigate him first.
P: Mam, wait.
L: Why aren’t you summoning Heo Seung Beom? Why?
P: We went to Busan to investigate..
L: Why would you visit Busan yourself to investigate? Why didn’t you summon him?
P: Look, Heo Seung Beom can be summoned if we summon him.
L: So I’m saying that you should summon him.
P: We will summon him and investigation him, but listen! We carried about the first investigation but you held a press conference and talked about group sex, and you were raped by Heo Yeong Mu. Were you raped by Heo Yeong Mu, mam? Were you raped or not? $#%#$% we are telling you to meet and talk, why are you so emotional?
L: You know Heo Seung Beom is there… if he is sick, then there are places to hospitalize him here…#$%#$
P: Why would you hospitalize him in Seoul?
L: There are hospitals that you can hospitalize during the investigation.
P: Where on earth are hospitals that the police can put him during investigation? We can summon him anytime we want.
L: Then why aren’t you investigating that bastard first..
P: Hello, mam, mam. We do the investigation, not you, right? The case has been concluded, so..
L: Right, you did not summon him for one and half months…
P: Yeah, we did not summon him for one and half months, why do you think is that?
L: You said he got into a car accident, then he was sick… blah blah blah.. and before that you did not summon him.
P: #@$@# we checked the hospital record..
L: No no, that bastard would break his arm to hospitalize himself. I told you he is that evil.
P: So you’re saying the driver of the car he got into accident with is on the same side too, huh? Huh?
L: The driver can be on the same side too, they can buy anyone with money.
P: Wow.
L: Besides the illegal drug issue, I wanted you to investigate the sexual violence …
P: Okay ,okay, mam. I get it. You’re saying even the other driver was bought by Heo Seung Beom.
L: I’m saying Heo Seung Beom is capable of doing even that .@#$@#$
P: #@$#$ listen to me, listen!
L: @#$@# why are you not letting me finish??
P: You are saying that he is capable of doing such things?
L: That’s right #@$
P: You and I don’t need to argue like this, right? If you don’t want to come to us, I will go to meet you, where are you?
L: Investigate Heo Seung Beom first, then after that I can show up any time.
P: We investigated about Heo Seung Beom already, so now I’m trying to investigate about you.
L: I’m saying you should summon him to the station. I almost died yesterday.
P: Why?
L: I was chased.. after I held the press conference and was revealed.. they came to capture my children and kill me.. and I escaped several times, so I cannot go to the police station because it is dangerous. Will you take responsibility if me or my children get hurt?
P: Where and how did you almost die?
L: Someone chased me, should I tell you where and how?
P: Where is the place you’re staying right now?
L: I come and go from Busan to Seoul. I am very busy right now.
P: Did it happen in Seoul or where?
L: It happened both in Seoul and Busan. Both.
P: Happened both in Busan and Seoul?
L: Yes, after the press conference.. they were all over the police station, so I cannot go there.
P: Mam, you felt so threatened the week after the press conference, but you did not call the police to report?
L: If I call the police they ask who, who, who, would I know who chased me? They said they would capture me and my children…
P: Mam, you said you received a lot of phone calls like that?
L: No, not just my phone but from everywhere #@$@
P: You’re saying they called and did not say who they were but threatened you?
L: Do you think they would say things that can be held against them as evidence? They call to find out where I am. I cannot go there because my life is at danger.
P: Then we will go meet you, where are you?
L: Why are you questioning me like that, am I a criminal?
P: You’re not a criminal?
L: @#$#@ I held a press conference because I am not a criminal.
P: That’s why we need to meet you, so we can proceed with the investigation. @#$@#$@#
L: You should summon Heo Seung Beom first, then after that I will give myself anytime you want. I’m hanging up.
2015.06.26 - Sexual Abuse Investigation Unit 2
TRANSLATION OF VIDEO ABOVE:
L: Lee Jung Hee (the mother)
D: detective Lee
L: Hello.
D: Hello, I am detective Lee (name not clear).
L: Yes, hi detective, I called you earlier today. After I talked on the phone with detective Kim Min Kyung, I asked you to call me, but you didn’t call me back so.. How is the case going?
D: You didn’t receive the mail?
L: No, I didn’t.
D: Um.. the limitation period for prosecution has passed..
L: Limitation period for prosecution has passed??
D: Yes.
L: But the kids’ cases are different (her case is old but the kids’ cases are recent)
D: Yes. The kids’ cases turned out to be free of charges.
L: How come they are free of charges?
D: The testimony lacks credibility.
L: You mean we lack credibility??
D: %$#%# the testimony lacks credibility according to expert ..%$^#4
L: So which expert said that our testimony lacks credibility? We know #$#… and that person supposedly said that he doesn’t know us… Lee Yang Soon said that. How could it be possible for us to sue Lee Yang Soo, if we don’t even know him? Isn’t it Lee Yang Soon that lacks credibility? Supposedly he said he doesn’t even know ME?
D: Yes, yes.
L: Exactly, how come he doesn’t know me.. I sued him because I know him. Right? Aren’t you being too cruel?
D: We look at it from an objective perspective..$%$^… and the prosecutor okay'ed it.
L: The prosecutor okay'ed it because you say so.
D: No, no, the prosecutor has the right to prosecute and investigate..
L: I lived with Lee Yang Soon for several years. I told you he is an accomplice. I even surrendered myself to the police. So you’re saying that Lee Yang Soon’s claim that he doesn’t know us is true?
D. (sigh) %$##
L: So Lee Yang Soon’s testimony had credibility?
D: Ah, yes yes.
L: Because of what?
D: Based on the lie detector.
L: That is a machine. WE are the victims. So you mean that you detectives only trust the lie detector to investigate this case?
D: No, we take into account a variety of %$%
L: The expert must be wrong.. For what reason would we sue a person who we don’t know, who doesn’t know us? What would we gain from doing such thing? Does that even make sense?
D: #%#$% we heard various stories… (mumbling)
L: How is Lee Yang Soon’s claim truthful when he is just denying outright that he doesn’t know us? We gave specific dates.. but why are you not trusting us? I told you that Lee Yang Soon is an accomplice and whore-master. He schemed with Heo Seung Beom and he knew ahead, he pushed the people to rape us, he brought whores.. I told you all this specifically, but you’re saying we are lying? You’re saying I am joking around using my children? When was it reported? Hello?
D: The document?
L: Yes.
D: The document arrived today $%
L: Today?
D: Yes~
L: Then why did you not call me then?
D: #@$#@ we told you…
L: No no, I mean when I talked to Detective Kim Min Kyung last week, I said I wanted to talk to detective Lee to ask about the case, but you did not answer my call, your cellphone was turned off, and when I called the station they said you were not there, but you did not call me..
D: I told you …#%#%#$
L: To whom? I am hearing this for the first time right now.
D: Oh, you’re hearing it for the first time? We told everything..
L: To whom did you tell? I am hearing this from you for the first time.
D: To detective Kim Min Kyung.
L: No, no, detective Kim Min Kyung told me that she doesn’t know about it because it is not within her jurisdiction.
D: #@$ we sent it via mail…
L: No, I’m not talking about mail, but about a phone call.. because I directly give testimonies.. I called directly and asked..
D: We. $#%# … is not finished..@$@ (mumbling too much)
L: I’m not talking about the case being closed, but I am giving my objections about the manner of the investigation from the first place. How come the case was dropped and free of charges.. the things that the Gyeonggi Sexual Violation Investigative Unit is covering — Heo Yeong Mu, Lee Yang Soon, Lee Gi yang (?), Lee Mi Sun(?)… they all have been dropped?
D: Yes~
L: How on earth could such thing happen? All of those people belong to the same party (accomplices). I told you all that, and I even turned myself in to the police..! But how could you police do this to me? You wouldn’t even perform cross-examination. I asked you to cross-examine us and Lee Yang Soon, since he is saying that he doesn’t know us, but you did not even do that for us, detective.
D: I didn’t do it?
L: You didn’t! You don’t think you ought to cross examine us, since Lee Yang Soon is claiming that he doesn’t know us? If you want to be objective about what we’re saying and what Lee Yang Soon is saying, don’t you have to cross-examine us, isn’t that right? Until now you have never told me anything about how the investigation is going.
D: I told you earlier.
L: What have you told me? You only told me that you are still investigating.. Lee Mi Kyung(?) said that she/he does not know my children but my children picked out her face. He/she ran away, when my children asked “why are you lying?”, he/she stood up and ran out of the room, and never came back - isn’t that running away and admitting? I will not stay put about this case. We picked out his/her face from a picture - so how can you say that we don’t know that person? Don’t you think the other side lacks credibility? I will take my own actions.
L: Lee Jung Hee (the mother)
D: detective Lee
L: Hello.
D: Hello, I am detective Lee (name not clear).
L: Yes, hi detective, I called you earlier today. After I talked on the phone with detective Kim Min Kyung, I asked you to call me, but you didn’t call me back so.. How is the case going?
D: You didn’t receive the mail?
L: No, I didn’t.
D: Um.. the limitation period for prosecution has passed..
L: Limitation period for prosecution has passed??
D: Yes.
L: But the kids’ cases are different (her case is old but the kids’ cases are recent)
D: Yes. The kids’ cases turned out to be free of charges.
L: How come they are free of charges?
D: The testimony lacks credibility.
L: You mean we lack credibility??
D: %$#%# the testimony lacks credibility according to expert ..%$^#4
L: So which expert said that our testimony lacks credibility? We know #$#… and that person supposedly said that he doesn’t know us… Lee Yang Soon said that. How could it be possible for us to sue Lee Yang Soo, if we don’t even know him? Isn’t it Lee Yang Soon that lacks credibility? Supposedly he said he doesn’t even know ME?
D: Yes, yes.
L: Exactly, how come he doesn’t know me.. I sued him because I know him. Right? Aren’t you being too cruel?
D: We look at it from an objective perspective..$%$^… and the prosecutor okay'ed it.
L: The prosecutor okay'ed it because you say so.
D: No, no, the prosecutor has the right to prosecute and investigate..
L: I lived with Lee Yang Soon for several years. I told you he is an accomplice. I even surrendered myself to the police. So you’re saying that Lee Yang Soon’s claim that he doesn’t know us is true?
D. (sigh) %$##
L: So Lee Yang Soon’s testimony had credibility?
D: Ah, yes yes.
L: Because of what?
D: Based on the lie detector.
L: That is a machine. WE are the victims. So you mean that you detectives only trust the lie detector to investigate this case?
D: No, we take into account a variety of %$%
L: The expert must be wrong.. For what reason would we sue a person who we don’t know, who doesn’t know us? What would we gain from doing such thing? Does that even make sense?
D: #%#$% we heard various stories… (mumbling)
L: How is Lee Yang Soon’s claim truthful when he is just denying outright that he doesn’t know us? We gave specific dates.. but why are you not trusting us? I told you that Lee Yang Soon is an accomplice and whore-master. He schemed with Heo Seung Beom and he knew ahead, he pushed the people to rape us, he brought whores.. I told you all this specifically, but you’re saying we are lying? You’re saying I am joking around using my children? When was it reported? Hello?
D: The document?
L: Yes.
D: The document arrived today $%
L: Today?
D: Yes~
L: Then why did you not call me then?
D: #@$#@ we told you…
L: No no, I mean when I talked to Detective Kim Min Kyung last week, I said I wanted to talk to detective Lee to ask about the case, but you did not answer my call, your cellphone was turned off, and when I called the station they said you were not there, but you did not call me..
D: I told you …#%#%#$
L: To whom? I am hearing this for the first time right now.
D: Oh, you’re hearing it for the first time? We told everything..
L: To whom did you tell? I am hearing this from you for the first time.
D: To detective Kim Min Kyung.
L: No, no, detective Kim Min Kyung told me that she doesn’t know about it because it is not within her jurisdiction.
D: #@$ we sent it via mail…
L: No, I’m not talking about mail, but about a phone call.. because I directly give testimonies.. I called directly and asked..
D: We. $#%# … is not finished..@$@ (mumbling too much)
L: I’m not talking about the case being closed, but I am giving my objections about the manner of the investigation from the first place. How come the case was dropped and free of charges.. the things that the Gyeonggi Sexual Violation Investigative Unit is covering — Heo Yeong Mu, Lee Yang Soon, Lee Gi yang (?), Lee Mi Sun(?)… they all have been dropped?
D: Yes~
L: How on earth could such thing happen? All of those people belong to the same party (accomplices). I told you all that, and I even turned myself in to the police..! But how could you police do this to me? You wouldn’t even perform cross-examination. I asked you to cross-examine us and Lee Yang Soon, since he is saying that he doesn’t know us, but you did not even do that for us, detective.
D: I didn’t do it?
L: You didn’t! You don’t think you ought to cross examine us, since Lee Yang Soon is claiming that he doesn’t know us? If you want to be objective about what we’re saying and what Lee Yang Soon is saying, don’t you have to cross-examine us, isn’t that right? Until now you have never told me anything about how the investigation is going.
D: I told you earlier.
L: What have you told me? You only told me that you are still investigating.. Lee Mi Kyung(?) said that she/he does not know my children but my children picked out her face. He/she ran away, when my children asked “why are you lying?”, he/she stood up and ran out of the room, and never came back - isn’t that running away and admitting? I will not stay put about this case. We picked out his/her face from a picture - so how can you say that we don’t know that person? Don’t you think the other side lacks credibility? I will take my own actions.
2015.06.27 - Conversation w/ Busan Detective
So the police started talking with the mom and the sons at first, trying to investigate the situation. But then he got called out, told them to wait and left for a while, and then when he got back he's suddenly stopping the investigation. The excuses he has is that the mom doesn't have any evidence, that he can't understand her and thus can't continue the conversation any longer. The police then told them to get out of the police office. He explicitly says that he is avoiding them and that he can't continue the investigation because there's nothing he can do.
2015.06.29 - Conclusion of Sexual Abuse Unit
Mother (summary):
Mother is basically saying why the police is not telling her anything what's going on with investigation. Mother says police only called her once as far as she could remember. Mother tells the police that she saw her own children getting raped by park young suk. Later mother tells the police that if park young suk is guilty, will you be responsible for it.
Police (summary):
Condescending voice throughout the whole conversation. "지금 억울하시죠? 흥분하지마시고.." "You are devastated and mortified right now aren't you? Don't get excited and put you voice down" Police is insisting that because she has no proof this investigation is over. If the victim has reliable oral statement then they could further investigate but apparently the "experts" have come to a conclusion that the statements were insufficient to support the "reliability" of the situation. "진술에 객관적인 신빙성이 없다고 전문가들이 말했습니다"
Mother is basically saying why the police is not telling her anything what's going on with investigation. Mother says police only called her once as far as she could remember. Mother tells the police that she saw her own children getting raped by park young suk. Later mother tells the police that if park young suk is guilty, will you be responsible for it.
Police (summary):
Condescending voice throughout the whole conversation. "지금 억울하시죠? 흥분하지마시고.." "You are devastated and mortified right now aren't you? Don't get excited and put you voice down" Police is insisting that because she has no proof this investigation is over. If the victim has reliable oral statement then they could further investigate but apparently the "experts" have come to a conclusion that the statements were insufficient to support the "reliability" of the situation. "진술에 객관적인 신빙성이 없다고 전문가들이 말했습니다"